Peter Jenner
we can't stop copying, (points to the bloggers) "you're copying me!"
"It's an enormous bit to get the turkeys to vote for Christmas."
We need to know what is going on with Google, and the artists aren't allowed to know what the deal was.
"And we don't care if it's on EMI or Universal, NOBODY GIVES A DAMN.
AND you still have Tim Quirk/Pandora on stage with Steven Marks of the RIAA.
having to renegotiate everytime a new technology comes out, is it the fault of the tech company for not negotiating a better contract to begin with? Guess who is on each side.
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Showing posts with label #fmc09. Show all posts
Monday, October 5, 2009
Shattering the Crystal Ball: Peering Beyond the Digital Revolution
Steve Marks, RIAA
Johanna Shelton, Google... in the past we were here talking about blocking content but this year we are more about collaborating and seeing what fans can do on the internet (ie the wedding dance video, Chris Brown claimed song and went to #3 on Amazon)
(futhermore, the couple in the video embedded links to donate to violence prevention, turning around who benefits again)
Tim Quirk, Rhapsody/Too Much Joy: "I kinda miss the early days of FMC when people would almost get in fistfights on the stage"
Andrew Noyes, moderator/journalist: "I blame Obama"
Peter Jenner, Sincere Management: How can we make a sensible business with what is going on? One problem in the US...too many lawyers.
"Copyright as we have it now has ceased to be a useful device. But I still want to get paid.l ,
Johanna Shelton, Google... in the past we were here talking about blocking content but this year we are more about collaborating and seeing what fans can do on the internet (ie the wedding dance video, Chris Brown claimed song and went to #3 on Amazon)
(futhermore, the couple in the video embedded links to donate to violence prevention, turning around who benefits again)
Tim Quirk, Rhapsody/Too Much Joy: "I kinda miss the early days of FMC when people would almost get in fistfights on the stage"
Andrew Noyes, moderator/journalist: "I blame Obama"
Peter Jenner, Sincere Management: How can we make a sensible business with what is going on? One problem in the US...too many lawyers.
"Copyright as we have it now has ceased to be a useful device. But I still want to get paid.l ,
Senator Al Franken and Mike Mills of REM
After making fun of such things of the future such as REM, this other new band from Athens called the B-52s, and Gaston Hall, Senator Al Franken took on the importance of Net Neutrality.
"Right now a blog loads just as quickly as a corporate webpage, an email just as smoothly as a bill from your bank...a garage band can stream its songs just as quickly as a multi platinum band like REM...don't like the internet so much now do you Mike?"
1. Censorship. When providers determine speed, they are very close to deciding what comes through at all.
2. Innovation, if we change the rules to benefit the big guys how will the little guys complete
Look at Iran, inspects and blocks content in real time "Cool isn't it?" Remember when Verizon blocked messages from NARAL? Comcast has used deep packet inspection to block peer to peer. AT&T dropped the audio during Pearl Jam's criticism of President Bush.
CTO of Bell South compared internet access to buying transportation tickets.
"As far as I'm concerned, free speech limited or free speech delayed is the same as free speech denied"
(APPLAUSE!!! Someone's going to transcribe this for real, right?)
"Right now a blog loads just as quickly as a corporate webpage, an email just as smoothly as a bill from your bank...a garage band can stream its songs just as quickly as a multi platinum band like REM...don't like the internet so much now do you Mike?"
1. Censorship. When providers determine speed, they are very close to deciding what comes through at all.
2. Innovation, if we change the rules to benefit the big guys how will the little guys complete
Look at Iran, inspects and blocks content in real time "Cool isn't it?" Remember when Verizon blocked messages from NARAL? Comcast has used deep packet inspection to block peer to peer. AT&T dropped the audio during Pearl Jam's criticism of President Bush.
CTO of Bell South compared internet access to buying transportation tickets.
"As far as I'm concerned, free speech limited or free speech delayed is the same as free speech denied"
(APPLAUSE!!! Someone's going to transcribe this for real, right?)
Scratch That II
Hank Shocklee (The Bomb Squad/Public Enemy) is disagreeing that after clearing a sample once that it should be re-cleared for sync rights (ie for video games and movies.
Tony Berman: problem with blanket licensing is it will be hard to figure out the cost/value of a particular sample
Hank: There should be a distinction between looping a sample or taking a small piece. "I think there is a way to determine the difference...I think you could go to the software industry and those guys can figure it out."
Tony: Still need a rate card, something to determine...There should be a way to determine the algorithm, "we do need a way to figure out the metadata of who owns these works"
Kembrew: I want to add another thing to my list earlier, in what ways could a sample be a fair use?
(check the webcast on this one, I may have mixed up the Peters and Tony when they were going really fast)
Tony Berman: problem with blanket licensing is it will be hard to figure out the cost/value of a particular sample
Hank: There should be a distinction between looping a sample or taking a small piece. "I think there is a way to determine the difference...I think you could go to the software industry and those guys can figure it out."
Tony: Still need a rate card, something to determine...There should be a way to determine the algorithm, "we do need a way to figure out the metadata of who owns these works"
Kembrew: I want to add another thing to my list earlier, in what ways could a sample be a fair use?
(check the webcast on this one, I may have mixed up the Peters and Tony when they were going really fast)
Scratch That: The Sample License Clearance and Artists Compensation
Kembrew McCloud:
4 categories for reform proposals (these are things to consider)
1. enhanced property rights
no such thing as a diminimus use (using a little bit) for sound recordings set in the Bridgeport decision
"creating a lean, mean licensing machine"
2. cover songs, just pay the set rate, no negotiation with copyright holder; want to create a similar system for sampling
can't say no, can't negotiate rate
3. non infringing uses\
tiny samples and fair use, Bridgeport did not discard fair use
4. innovations in voluntary licensing
Creative Commons "Basically creates a lawyer free zone"
creating an ASCAP or BMI for clearances
creating a database of contacts for clearances
4 categories for reform proposals (these are things to consider)
1. enhanced property rights
no such thing as a diminimus use (using a little bit) for sound recordings set in the Bridgeport decision
"creating a lean, mean licensing machine"
2. cover songs, just pay the set rate, no negotiation with copyright holder; want to create a similar system for sampling
can't say no, can't negotiate rate
3. non infringing uses\
tiny samples and fair use, Bridgeport did not discard fair use
4. innovations in voluntary licensing
Creative Commons "Basically creates a lawyer free zone"
creating an ASCAP or BMI for clearances
creating a database of contacts for clearances
Sunday, October 4, 2009
DC101 Part II
Broadband deployment: Spectrum reform to facilitate wireless access, "access to music is one of the reasons people use broadband in the first place", more legal licensed services generating money in the economy, hopefully trickling down to the artists
Net neutrality: common carrier based on phone company laws, you can call whoever you want...around 2003/2004 high speed broadband technology started coming around and became subject to regulation, abandoned common carrier in favor of interstate information (something I just lost, commenters help me out here)...I can't keep up here, how about checking out zdnet's description instead?
Paraphrasing Michael Bracy:
"we're challenging the economic structures that incentivize consumers going to content that the service providers approve of" "is there a connection between network neutrality and the unauthorized distribution of content?" "we think they're different issues"
I will quote him here:
"we've got a five hour discussion of that tomorrow, that will be GREAT!"
Net neutrality: common carrier based on phone company laws, you can call whoever you want...around 2003/2004 high speed broadband technology started coming around and became subject to regulation, abandoned common carrier in favor of interstate information (something I just lost, commenters help me out here)...I can't keep up here, how about checking out zdnet's description instead?
Paraphrasing Michael Bracy:
"we're challenging the economic structures that incentivize consumers going to content that the service providers approve of" "is there a connection between network neutrality and the unauthorized distribution of content?" "we think they're different issues"
I will quote him here:
"we've got a five hour discussion of that tomorrow, that will be GREAT!"
Digital Duckets
Paul Rapp: you cam license your music for tv/film/games. Be aware that scams abound online, Google and/or consult your lawyer, and especially beware of exclusive contracts.
"i hear there are some hipster bands in Brooklyn making music they think would be great for commercials...I wouldn't reccommend that."
"i hear there are some hipster bands in Brooklyn making music they think would be great for commercials...I wouldn't reccommend that."
Digital Duckets II
Dazzled by Robert Kaye's orange and purple wavy striped hair.
The conversation is heavy on royalty technicalities right now. producers, writers and performers caught up in contracts that ensure someone is making, or losing, a bit more than their basic share.
Ask someone later about Blue Oyster Cult's soundalikes and Drexel University's The Swimmers (two stories, although together would be funny).
The conversation is heavy on royalty technicalities right now. producers, writers and performers caught up in contracts that ensure someone is making, or losing, a bit more than their basic share.
Ask someone later about Blue Oyster Cult's soundalikes and Drexel University's The Swimmers (two stories, although together would be funny).
Michael Bracy is giving an overview of the policy affecting the music industry in the past decade or so. Then I realize some of these things, that have an incredible impact on today's music industry, happened over a decade ago, before we even listened to music online!
I'm going to paraphrase the four point plan to reform radio/Fixing Radio Agenda he's talking about
1. Holding radio consolidation
2. Expand and strengthen community radio (expand low power radio)
3. End structural payola
4. Public performance right for terrestrial radio (50% of the songs on the radio are over 10 years old, how do we question this in a way that doesn't hurt community radio and small stations
(and now, we're going to talk about broadband)
I'm going to paraphrase the four point plan to reform radio/Fixing Radio Agenda he's talking about
1. Holding radio consolidation
2. Expand and strengthen community radio (expand low power radio)
3. End structural payola
4. Public performance right for terrestrial radio (50% of the songs on the radio are over 10 years old, how do we question this in a way that doesn't hurt community radio and small stations
(and now, we're going to talk about broadband)
more on Super Social
Let me say, so far this Summit has had an amazing balance of presenters and not only audience questions, but genuine audience dialog contributing to the knowledge we're sharing.
Ariel: the mundane to artists might be really interesting to fans "The more I share about my cat the more fans I get."
Ariel's funnel: start with free mp3 or video IN EXCHANGE for email address...99 cent singles> albums> merch> special event> private show> personalized song, with the price going up accordingly. With newsletters and social media as the glue holding it together.
Ariel: the mundane to artists might be really interesting to fans "The more I share about my cat the more fans I get."
Ariel's funnel: start with free mp3 or video IN EXCHANGE for email address...99 cent singles> albums> merch> special event> private show> personalized song, with the price going up accordingly. With newsletters and social media as the glue holding it together.
Ariel Hyatt...differences between typical musicians and expert marketers in using online marketing. #1 your homepage (not MySpace, Facebook etc, YOURS #2 the "Notorious Nine" iLike (video/audio for facebook pages), Ping (consolidates posting to social media sites), Myspace, Reverbnation (widgets and email lists), flickr, facebook, wordpress, twitter, youtube. Charlie McEnerney (well rounded radio chimes in, produce your own professional content, make sure it's not all fan cell phone videos.
The audience says how they got video, everything from $3000 productions to convincing his employer it was promotional for them too, and getting paid.
Ariel plugs the Flip HD video camcorder and/or making slide shows (I suggest animoto, there are others).
Charlie talks about a band moving to Boston and using Twitter successfully as their "mailing list". Feeling of getting a band inviting you to an exclusive event on Facebook.
Ariel talks about fan clubs, especially Prince...exclusive access, special offers, ways to ask for more money from your dedicated fans.
The audience says how they got video, everything from $3000 productions to convincing his employer it was promotional for them too, and getting paid.
Ariel plugs the Flip HD video camcorder and/or making slide shows (I suggest animoto, there are others).
Charlie talks about a band moving to Boston and using Twitter successfully as their "mailing list". Feeling of getting a band inviting you to an exclusive event on Facebook.
Ariel talks about fan clubs, especially Prince...exclusive access, special offers, ways to ask for more money from your dedicated fans.
more from reverbnation...
old model: get signed or get lost: : new model: fan relationships create a value pipeline
magnatune
magnatune has a really interesting and straightforward licensing structure for their artists. trade off is artists can't say no. look at it though, it's generating lots of questions and conversation #FMC09
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